Mar 23
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Cybersecurity is entering a new phase: machine vs. machine. On this episode of Builders, Travis Lanham and Evan Pena discuss how Armadin is building AI that thinks like attackers to uncover vulnerabilities and help companies stay ahead of cyber threats. Inside the conversation: “The barrier to entry for a sophisticated threat actor is now a little bit lower because you don't really have to be the best exploit developer to now use AI to create an exploit. ” — Evan Pena “Historically the issue with red teaming and proactive security has been, if you go and do a human led assessment you might cover 1% of your attack surface. We can cover 100% of your attack surface without costing you $100M.” — Travis Lanham “We know exactly what customers want. Instead of giving you a list of like a hundred different findings, you really wanna have that prioritized list of what's gonna be the most critical based on those two things: exploitable risk and business impact.” — Evan Pena “How do you have full context or full knowledge over everything that's happened in the environment? From a security perspective, it's possible for an agent to have that. A human can never have that same capability.” — Travis Lanham Guest: Travis Lanham, Co-Founder and CTO of Armadin and Evan Pena, Offensive Security AI Project at Armadin Connect with Travis Lanham: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travislanham/ Connect with Evan Pena: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/evanpena/ Connect with Josh Coyne X: https://x.com/josh_coyne LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuacoyne/ Connect with Leigh Marie Braswell X: https://x.com/LM_Braswell LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leigh-marie-braswell/ Learn more about Kleiner Perkins: https://www.kleinerperkins.com/ 00:00 Intro 01:12 AI Hackers and New Attacks 08:17 CISO Playbook for 2026 09:26 Armadin: Security AI Age 15:22 Training Safe Autonomous Agents 22:21 Human Loop Safety 25:00 Fixing and Prioritizing Risk 28:13 Trust and Economics Shift 31:08 Hard Problems in Agent Swarms 35:13 Hack Stories and Wrap Up