Code To Culture, Ep 1: Internal Developer Platforms: Hype or the Real Future of DevOps

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Hello and welcome to @cloudnativefm live with my Resident Co-Host, Cortney Nickerson. A big shout-out to my livestream partner 𝐑𝐢𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐝 𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐨𝐧, host of the @CloudTherapist YouTube channel, who sparked the idea for this series. I’m Saim Safdar, and together we’re launching 𝗖𝗼𝗱𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗖𝘂𝗹𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗲: 𝗣𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗺 𝗘𝗻𝗴𝗶𝗻𝗲𝗲𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗨𝗻𝗽𝗮𝗰𝗸𝗲𝗱 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗘𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗽𝗿𝗶𝘀𝗲𝘀. We are running a six-part panel series designed for consultants, developers, platform teams, and enterprise leaders. Each episode will be shared across both CloudNativeFM and CloudTherapist YouTube channels, with curated segments streaming on each channel. Over six episodes, we’ll unpack how code, teams, and organizational culture combine to create or break great developer platforms, and we’re calling the series Code to Culture: Platform Engineering Unpacked for Enterprises. Today’s conversation poses a significant question: 𝐀𝐫𝐞 𝐈𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐃𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐥𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐫 𝐏𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐦𝐬 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐡𝐲𝐩𝐞 𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐥 𝐟𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐃𝐞𝐯𝐎𝐩𝐬? With us are the GitLab CTO, the Krumware CEO, and a Platform consultant and Coach with three decades of experience. Expect concrete stories, honest tradeoffs, and practical takeaways. Ready? Let’s get started.” Before we proceed, let’s give a warm welcome to Cortney Nickerson. She’ll be the co-host for our series, Code to Culture. We’re excited by Cortney’s co-hosting this series with us. Watch the Highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M23WuAcXSEc Watch the short videos: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V96YBVC_6UM ▬▬▬▬▬▬ 👋 Meet our Guests 👋 ▬▬▬▬▬▬ Bryan Ross, Field CTO, GitLab: https://sessionize.com/bryanrossuk/ Colin Griffin, Ceo at Krumware [https://www.krum.io/] - https://sessionize.com/colin-griffin/ David Stenglein, Solo Strategic Advisor & Platform Consultant - missingmass.io LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidstenglein ▬▬▬▬▬▬ 🤝 Book a Call 🤝 ▬▬▬▬▬▬ If you'd like to be our next guest, schedule a convenient time slot via https://calendly.com/saimsafder14/30min. We'll discuss further details. Alternatively, you can reach out to me via Twitter or LinkedIn (details below). ▬▬▬▬▬▬ 👋 Contact me 👋 ▬▬▬▬▬▬ ➡ Twitter: https://twitter.com/cloudnativeboy ➡ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/saim-safder ➡ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/cloudnativeboy.bsky.social ▬▬▬▬▬▬ 🔔 Other Channels 🔔 ▬▬▬▬▬▬ 🎤 Cloud Native Islamabad: ​ ⁨ @CloudNativeIslamabad ▬▬▬▬▬▬ ⏱️ Chapters ⏱️ ▬▬▬▬▬▬ 0:00 Music 0:04 Intro Code to Culture Panel Series👋 1:39 Welcoming Cortney 2:06 Inspiring Panelist Intro 7:18 Epsiode Segements 8:19 Defining Internal Developer Platform for team and processes? 11:35 Building IDP Capabilities and finding best features for right users? 14:00 Why is the IDP movement all about developers? 15:45 Historical perspective on the IDP movement? 19:45 Confusion around IDP vocabulary? 24:00 CNCF Platform Working Group movement? 26:00 DevEx capabilities for IDP? 28:30 With Golden Paths and IDPs, are we herding or shepherding developers? 32:00 Golden Path vs Developer Freedom 34:00 Abstraction vs. AI workload needs in Internal Developer Platforms? 39:33 AI revolution and the need for security-first solutions? 40:22 Rapid Fire Segment 40:40 Top 3 tools for Platform Engineers? 42:00 Evaluation criteria for Open Source adaptation in IDP movement? 43:30 Change Management: The First Conversation Between Platform Engineers & Developers? 45:00 Wearing a Developer Hat? 45:25 Collin take: IDP feature Dev say "WOW" 46:13 Bryan take: IDP feature Dev say "WOW" 47:34 David take: IDP feature Dev say "WOW" 48:04 Cortney/Saim take: IDP feature Dev say "WOW" 49:35 Conclusion & appreciation for Panelist 50:45 What's next