Awesome.

Hi Scott.

>> Hi, Caroline. How are you doing?

>> I'm good. How are you doing?

>> I am very well. I'm very well.

>> Good night to you over there in

Scotland.

>> Yes. Yes.

>> We're so excited to have you here. This

is episode three of Power Hour and our

first uh partner Power Hour. And so

we're really excited to be doing this

with you and relevance. Uh we had a fun

time last week really getting into like,

okay, I have an idea like how do I

actually start in VZ? How do I start to

build a qualities? You and I were

jamming last week and you showed me a

sick demo of the website generation

agent you built with BZero and

relevance. And I think that we were both

just like we should just do this live

and show everyone because it was

awesome. And so I'm really excited to

dive in with you today. Um before we get

started, I'd love if you could just

introduce yourself, tell everyone a

little bit about Relevance um and what

you're working on and and who uses you.

>> Cool. Um yes, so I'm Scott. I've been at

Relevance for a couple of years. H I'm a

growth lead here working on our

ecosystem. Um the we're in a AI

workforce uh platform we call ourselves.

It's a place where Renault can uh build

and um uh run AI agents.

>> Awesome.

>> Um and we're run we're kind of used by

all sorts of companies from uh small

businesses um but all the way up to big

companies and we just did a big load of

a big stream today about a lot of case

studies we did the likes of Canva and

KPMG and all that kind of stuff.

>> I know backstage you told me I think

you've been on a live for a few hours

now.

>> Yes. Like a live thing. Hopefully we can

make this one really fun, engaging you.

>> Yes, hope so. Um, yeah, the big focus

really like for us in terms of users, we

often get we have a whole variety

because we're um a horizontal platform

to build agents.

>> A lot of the people are kind of people

that work in go to market non-engineers,

domain experts that want to build agents

and I'll show you why when we show you

the platform in a little bit.

>> That's awesome. Well, thank you. I'm so

excited. I guess you know before before

we get in just to set this the stage for

everyone watching um we're gonna we're

gonna build an agent live today. I asked

Scott I was like do you want to show the

demo or you want to do it live? And he's

like let's let's do it live. Um and so

it's super cool. Scott's built some

really impressive integrations that I

think will start to get at what is

possible after you build the

scaffolding. So really excited about

that. Please uh throw questions into the

chat. Um, I I do have to say, please

mind our community standards. Be

friendly um and uh and inquisitive and

we'll get to all your questions. Um,

feel free to put them either in the

Verscell community chat or on Twitter.

We're watching both of them. Um, but

yeah, I think with that we can we can go

ahead and and get building if you're

good Scott.

>> Yeah, sounds good to me.

>> I'd love to just hear like when when you

thought about building this, what what

was the impetus? How did you think

through it? I I feel like so many

people, especially this this week of all

weeks, are like, I got to build an agent

and like I don't even know where to

start. Like, how did you conceptualize

it? Because I don't I don't think you're

an engineer, right?

>> No, no, no, I'm not. I'm well, a long

time ago. A long time ago, I was a

webdev, but like I've been a marketer by

trade.

>> Yeah. For a long time now. Um, so where

this came from from us is essentially we

have we have lots of users trying to

build agents. Um and um a really common

thing that people have actually built

and our our users have built are um web

personal website creators. So like this

all just came from we've seen them

people building them in our community.

We thought we should build our own and

show people how to build it and voiced

for that. So that's why

>> that's awesome. Well, so where why why

did you choose to work in VZero and and

how where did you start?

>> Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, I chose Vzero

because it's actually the easiest to

work with something like this. It really

is. And obviously, you've got the all

the great stuff with V vers V vers

Versel behind it, but it was actually

just the easiest. Yeah.

>> Like I did actually try some other um

generating website generation and Viser

was much easier. It's much more and it

works better and seems to work every

time and all and much more stable. So,

>> that's awesome. Well, I'd love to. I

mean, my first question was really gonna

just be like, what what prompt did you

start with? Or how did you Because I I I

think that gets back to the cold start

problem of like, I have these ideas, but

I don't necessarily know how to bring

them to life. Where did you start? And

feel free. Um I I know it's it's a

vulnerable invitation to share your

screen on a on a live stream, but feel

free to share your screen and show us or

we can just talk through, too.

>> Yep. Cool. So, um I'll show you

basically I'll start building it live.

Okay, let's do it.

>> So, this is relevance AI. This is a

place where you can build the agents.

Um, a agent is a essentially a

culmination of tools and knowledge and

all sorts of other fun stuff which I'll

show you as we go through it. Um, so the

um where it kind of starts from is

>> also I like that Scott maybe we should

start every VZR power hour of let's

build an agent with everyone's

definition of what an agent is.

>> Yes, exactly.

>> That's great. That's I'm going to take

that.

>> Yeah, exactly. Um, so there's a couple

of ways that you can start with building

an agent relevance. Um, one of them is

that you can actually, um, so you go

into here, you just click new agent. Um,

like I said here, you can actually just

describe what you want to do and will

start building it for you. H, but for

this, I'll kind of show you how I kind

of think about it.

>> Cool.

>> Um, because I like to get things up and

running relatively quickly. So, but you

can do that. You type it in and it'll

run it and it'll actually just build an

agent for you. Um, but this is how I

think about when it comes to prompting.

So, we have this thing called a prompt

template. So, I've got this like blank

agent here.

>> And we have this thing, this B called a

prompt template. And it's really cool

because it makes it really simple, I

think, because essentially an agent is

like it's got a goal,

>> wants to do something. Yeah.

>> Here are the tools that it needs to do

to complete that goal, and here's some

rules that it needs to follow. Well, I I

think that that's really important

because I think that if you had started

just with a blank prompt, you obviously

if you have experience in this, you can

outline the goal, tools, rules in there,

but I I think again with the um cold

start problem, it's hard to think about

all that at the at the start.

>> Yeah, exactly. So, um so when I came to

it, I was like basically like said this

came inspiration from our users. So,

like I knew what they'd done. They'd

kind of um started generating

personalized websites. So, um, I kind of

got, so obviously I've got I give it a

name. We've got these little characters,

fun characters, and you can obviously

add your own little, um,

>> the most important part of building an

agent.

>> Very, very, very important. Uh, and you

have must must must give it a name. So,

uh, Peggy the personalized website um

builder and, um, description build

personalized websites. So what the way I

was thinking about is that it's like a

basically a way to build onetoone

personalized websites. So do some

research then build a website.

>> Cool.

>> Um and how this works is so essentially

it's got a goal. So the goal would be uh

build a personalized

website by researching

a person and building the website

and it's pretty much as simple as that.

So like that's essentially what we want

to achieve. So um and then I can give it

these tools to help it do that research.

So I have kind of some more you can add

some more fun, some flare to this, but

this is kind of the bare bones where you

can add some personality, make it fun,

research really hard, etc. Um, add but

this is kind of the bare bones of the

goal. Um,

>> super simple.

>> So, and on the tools side, so

essentially we've got like tools. So

classic research tool is so we click um

it's just some shortcuts, but

essentially you just click tools.

Classic research tool is our friend

Google. And this is kind of an inbuilt

tool into relevance. Um, and we have we

have about 2,000 integrations. Um, this

Google search, I'll use that. Fabulous.

Um, to research

the person. Then I I also potentially

want to do some might as well use

LinkedIn obviously if I'm thinking about

it from a work context.

Um so I can do this and I'll get

companies and um to research

um company and role of person.

Um and then I also wanted to give it um

another tool which is a um

essentially a tool to um any web pages

it finds so it can under so it can

actually extract the content of the web

pages.

>> Cool. So um to extract content from any

website you find uh value for Google

search. So this is like simple research

tools. You could obviously add a lot

more to that specific depending on what

kind of goals you're looking to achieve,

what kind of research you were looking

to do before you created your website.

You kind of do anything here.

>> Um then the next set of tools is to

build the website and this is where

obviously VCEL comes in. Um so do the

research

and build the website. Um

so uh essentially there's two parts. So

we actually have a um a vzero um built

in a little bit. So there's two parts.

Um so um what I do here was um I'd add a

tool. And this is the I suppose I was

doing it a bit quickly to begin with

using like shortcuts, but if you wanted

to add a tool, you also just click this

button. Oh, cool. That's probably what I

should have started with, but this gives

shows you all the tools. Um, and you can

see so from a vzero perspective, if I

search some of the tools, um, this v.

So, we have h generate app and deploy

app. So,

>> and how did when you when you look at

this screen, how did you decide what to

use first?

>> So, um, I so I've kind of looked at

this, go, okay, I want to build a

website on v 0ero. So I look at kind of

the these are the like the actions

essentially. The first one is an API

call always because that means that you

as a user if you have a little bit or

even just ask chat GPT or claude to help

you you can do API calls to do anything

in any service. And then these are like

actions that we built on the side. So

these are actually within this account

ignore them but these are generate app

and deploy app. So we built these as

little actions that people can easily

use. Um so the generate app tool. So I

add this to

And I'll show you this in a second.

Um, so and I I'll dive into how the

tools work a little bit. So, um, uh,

generate the website using, so usually

I, um, I like to, you don't necessarily

need to do this, but I like to reference

them, uh, when in the content. So, when

I add the tool, um, and then deploy it.

So, I might as well deploy it. If you're

going to generate it, you might as well

publish it. Um,

and then uh deploy the website. And the

last thing which I like I really like

and I actually stole this from a

customer that showed me this was they

had another step which was essentially

this this tool again which is the

extract website content tool and it was

like check the website is live

by just basically checking it was live.

Cool.

>> Which is a great idea before you like

send it to someone or

>> as someone who frequently ships things

and gets excited. That that is a that's

a great check. Also, Scott, we have our

first question from the chat is, do you

read the chat? Anyway, keep up the great

work. I love Vzero and all around it.

So, great work. And yes, we read the

chat.

>> Awesome.

>> Cool.

>> So, I'll show you the how the tools

work. Tools are probably the most

complicated things in relevance. And

actually for the last thing here from so

what this this is called the core

instructions this is like the guidance

on how to make things work and the rules

I just put like make a onepage website

just to keep it simple um

and that's all you need to do basically

but the way the tools work is

essentially what happens is that so if

you go into tools so we have this on the

vzero site for example uh on the

generate app what it is is this this

tool is um essentially all it does is um

you give it a pro. So basically what

happens is that the agent imagine like

these are like people user inputs I

could fill in as a user. What will

happen is the agent will fill these in.

>> So like it goes like so this is the

prompt. So the agent will determine what

the prompt should be to build the

website and it will fill that in

>> based on everything that it's pulled

>> based on everything it's

>> awesome. Do you do you give it any

scaffolding of which to work under or do

you just let it run and trust it? No, I

like especially at the beginning just

let it run. My advice is

>> and then because you'll learn and then

it's iteration from what do you like,

what do you prefer, all that kind of fun

stuff.

>> And then if you if you did want to build

scaffolding and you might get in this

later where would what step would you

train it in?

>> Yeah. So if generally in the core

instructions in here so it's like once

you've seen the kind of thing that you

like. So especially up here on the goal

or you can even add like a new section.

Um, but you can put things like, you

know, uh, like all the way from like

like either like a color scheme or an

inspiration of things that you like all

the way to like when you're doing the

research, make sure you never use this

on the website. I like whoever like

someone they used to date or something.

>> Yeah.

>> Like whatever the case may be. And

you're going to go through these like

once you kind of get stuff into

production, you kind of go through these

steps.

>> Awesome.

Um and the last step um for most of

these so these tools here that should

work exactly the same. Um and this is

the generate app is is very very

similar. It's just an app that basically

takes some information the agent will

fill in fill in in order to dep sorry

deploy the app. Sorry it's the same sort

of idea. the the what happens is that

when we generate the app on v 0ero for

those that are interested in is that

this tool we put the prompt in we get a

response back which gives us lots of

information including the chat ID the

version ID the project ID and the

project name and the agent just

remembers that so when it comes to then

deploying the app it then just fills

them out and just sends them

>> wow and so this is so for everyone

that's not native in vzero or in

relevance that is all of the zero chat

ids, pro project IDs, and version IDs

that you typically would go to your

dashboard and see, but you can see it

all right there and the agent can access

it.

>> Yep. Exactly.

>> That's awesome.

>> And then the the there is one last thing

though um that I forgot to show you and

it is relevant um when it came to setup

of this is um you do need to uh for for

vis and for other ones actually let me

let me save this engine.

um you do actually need to add the API

key. Um so if you are uh essentially

like here it's in integrations

uh and if you're using vis zero here's

some other ones I have in this test

account um and you go all integrations

v0 API key

>> and then you just obviously go into

vzero go into your settings go to API

keys and grab an API key and away you

go. Um, and I realized that to get this

to work, I actually do need one. I will

delete this.

>> You can you can here. Also, if you can

close your Well, I was gonna say you can

close your screen, but

>> All right. All right. Sorry. I'm all

good. I'll delete afterwards if I trust

it. Trust me.

>> I know.

I told you it's vulnerable. It's

vulnerable and dangerous maybe to put up

your screen. Yeah. Keep all of your keys

safe. That is That is

>> Yeah, keep all your keys. Yes. Yes.

Definitely. Um,

>> but I I I do also, jokes aside, I think

the benefit of building with Vzero is

that um I I think that that's a real

risk with a lot of vibe coding tools and

we are the most secure and I think

that's why enterprises use us and so

jokes aside of what Scott just did on a

live stream. Um I it's it's really safe

building with these.

>> Yeah, I agree. We have we have major

problems. We have a marketplace of our

agents and people leave their keys in

there all the time.

>> Yeah, it's I think it's gonna be Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Um, so that is a sedent. So, uh, and it

kind of runs. I will run it, but it

takes a little while. So, I'm going to I

am going to show you one that run

before. I'm sorry.

>> No, no, it's got you.

>> I will I will see how this one comes out

because I've done one for you already,

Caroline. So, um

>> Oh, wow. Great.

>> Yeah, might as well. Um, so but you do

have a very long surname. Uh,

>> yeah. R A M I T or it's I not A and

>> Yeah. Okay.

>> There you go.

>> Yeah.

Okay. So just you just do some lesson

and I'll start to take you through now.

Um, so I'll do that research. So I

already So this was my H song and this

just shows how you can extend it. So

this is right now is kind of like a toy

uh in this basic way. So I actually did

this this morning. I already did

Caroline's website. Um and this is what

it does basically. So

it did the research. It

>> went for Google. It went for LinkedIn.

Extract website content. Um

>> terrified to see what it pulls up.

>> Yeah. It went into one of your it went

to went I don't know where it went. Went

here. Something went wrong. Tried

different places. But there's a couple

of beautiful things here which I think

our agents is really really important.

It's called self-healing.

>> One of the ones is this Google search

tool at the beginning. So it actually

did an error and what the error is is

that it did chose the wrong way to

phrase a syntax error. Chose the wrong

way to to phrase the US

>> and instead of giving up and like

pointing an error back that I didn't

fix, I just tried it again with

something different.

>> And how does it Scott? It's really

interesting. How does how does it

selfheal? Like what is it learning off

of? like it is it able to go in and

extract where the issue came from and

>> yes yes basically so it gets this gets

given this error and it will just try

and just try so often sometimes it'll

just try again to try again if it sees

it's like a temporary error

>> um but if it sees it's something like

this was a response it got from this

service and so that helped it learn that

it was using the wrong syntax so then it

just changed it and did it again.

>> Cool. And it does that for all sorts of

tools, including things like Vzero and

stuff.

>> What's an example of when you've seen it

self fuel with Vzero?

>> So, uh, one of the things it did was,

um, I had like a when I was originally

playing with this, I had like a setting

for the chat ID.

>> Yeah.

>> And I had like a, um, character limit. I

don't know why I put like a how how the

format should be.

>> What I'd actually put and what it should

be was wrong.

>> Interesting. The response came back v

zero telling it that that was and then

the agent overrid my

>> my Yeah. So because because the

responsor told them it was the wrong

format. So um

>> oh goodness.

>> So here is the so this is where we got

to um with this one and this is uh the

website. So um we got have you had

breakfast today? It clearly it pulled

out one of my personal blogs, which this

is just this is more vulnerable than you

sharing your screen. I think I I'd

rather have an API key up.

>> This is awesome.

>> So, um yeah, that um yeah, there's a few

like and that's the and that's agent

running now. Um

that's kind of fun. It's okay. Like it's

a bit of a toy like you can kind of do

this kind of stuff like it's kind of

fun. But where I suppose where it makes

sense for a lot of people was uh when

you start extending things upon it and

that's um

um the if you get on to like so this was

a couple of extensions. So think about

work um one of the ones is instead of

like I it's exactly the same base but

instead of I I also gave our our CRM to

be able to do it. So instead of given

>> so for example um you could just what

and what you could do with this is you

could trigger the agent every time for

example someone filled out a form on

your website and then it could do it

would do the research from the CRM of

what you've done and all that kind of

stuff. You can use that for an analytics

anything like that. Um and this was like

so I just gave it my uh my website and

then it my name and it did this uh web

page for me um

a while ago. There we go. Beautiful

because I am Scottish.

Did this um

>> so um so that's kind of cool and you can

imagine using that from a sales

perspective. Um and then obviously then

again adding more actions onto that

where

>> um you could um

uh essentially it's the same thing about

this is like okay use your CRM

potentially you can actually add to your

CRM you can do stuff with it.

>> It's really cool. website, send a

personalized pitch email to to to

someone and uh wait with includes for

example um the website that you've

you've generated as success

>> when when you're working with teams that

want to layer on more of these actions

that are being deployed by agents. How

do you where do you suggest them to

start? This is something that came up in

our power hour last week when we were

building out an automated inbox on Vzero

and it was like oh we have all these

feature ideas and like we don't know

where to start and how much we should

interact back and forth with Vzero as it

as an agent builds out this experience

for us versus giving it all at once. So

h how do you suggest that people go

about the scaffolding of actions?

>> Yeah, I think that again like I think

it's it's probably a bit trit but I

think it's true. Um it's to start small.

So like really the way that I often

start is I so I have an end game in mind

like um so for for for stuff like this

there's a reason why we wanted to say

create personalized uh websites and we

want to our intention is that we're

going to embed like agent we're going to

also build personalized agents and embed

them on web pages and send them to

people is for to delight them when they

sign up to relevance. Now that's my end

game. There's a lot to that. I've got to

build the website. I've also got to

build agents on the fly as well. Um, but

the first bit is to like how can I just

like do one thing which is like do the

research and then do something with that

research and just build it out from

there.

>> That's awesome.

>> Yeah. Um, but I think you can get there

relatively quickly. Really depends on

the complexity.

>> Um, and I think that's some of times

where it gets a bit challenging is these

are all like single agents. um which is

cool and you can do lots of cool things

with them but when it gets quite complex

you kind of looking at multi- aent

systems which we do have which is like

our workforce.

>> Cool. Yeah. How do you do that?

>> So for us it's a simpler similar idea.

you essentially just link agents

together. And the reason why so this

one's a uh one I put together and this

is a s relative simple one again but the

reason why it's complicated is that so

we've got this like personalized website

creator which shown that's linked to

with like a calendar booking and that's

this agent that goes back and forth

trying to book teams

>> um and um

that's those are really like the those

are especially they're they're quite

complex tasks so like that's why you

split them up into two agents Especially

with this one, it's got like back and

forth happening. Um,

>> how do you, so looking at this agent

system right here of the workforce,

something that I I think a lot about of

like how making agents more powerful is

by bringing in more context. How do you

think about bringing in context to this

whole workflow or do you

uh do you curate the context based on

each agent and what it needs to

accomplish or do you think about it as

if it's a whole team and the whole team

should have context of what everyone's

doing? Yeah. So the way that the way

that we often do these is um when it

comes to the multi- aent system anyway

is you essentially have a manager agent.

>> What happens is that the the the sub

agents essentially pass information back

and forth. So like the V0 personal

website creator would all right cool

here's some information. The manager

agent will say hey here's here's some

information create a website and now

give it back to me when you're done once

you're done with it. And then you can

kind then it can pass that around to

different tasks. um which isn't how this

one's built, but yeah, that's often the

way to think about it. A manager agent

that like um delegates tasks.

>> Awesome.

>> Yeah, but it's like the honestly the

best way I think sometimes my like I

love this feature and like for advanced

users it's incredible and for advanced

tasks, but we often actually find people

coming into relevance and they start

building multi-agent systems where when

they don't need to.

>> Oh, interesting. say why other than

excitement why why people go to

>> it looks like like I have no other

reasons for it when people are like

dragging cards around so

>> well what's I guess getting into the

technicality of it what is the issue of

building a multi- aent system when you

don't need it

>> just creates complexity and like there's

more chances of things going wrong you

kind of need to know what you're doing

there's um and really and it'll just be

slower there's latency and all that kind

of stuff rather than put put it into one

>> in one. Yeah,

>> that's awesome.

>> But once you once you do have that those

complicated use cases or you want to

combine multiple agents together, it's

exceptional.

>> Well, I'm curious, you know, I I think

the personal website maker is such a

good use case of we talk a lot about

like sometimes to feel the magic of the

zero of vibe coding. it's easiest to

actually on-ramp with something that's

in your life because it's it's fun and

it's easy and you see the power of it

and then you start to bring it into you

know your work daily uh task. I'm

curious like what are as as someone who

wanted to get started building an agent

for their daily task at work where would

you suggest people to start?

>> Um

it's a good question. um if you're

wanting to build I think often so we

have two basically we have a relevance

we think of agents in terms there's two

types there's this more autopilot agents

which are kind of

>> are our co-pilot agents so these are the

autopilot agents being that like so

essentially

>> like this per this person website

creator for me the end game is this is

autopilot it's a trigger something

happens the website is created it's I do

something with it

>> it's more kind of like just happens in

the background um often you're better

off starting with kind of a co-pilot

agent where it's like maybe got access

to like some maybe it's just simple

knowledge search or something that like

or maybe it's got access to your email

and it summarizes that or looks at your

calendar every morning send you an email

like relatively simple tasks that you

can kind of do with lots of tools but

they'll help you get started um and then

you can kind of for example we have this

chat feature as well as we have feature

um like you can talk to relevance agents

in Slack um and you can kind of get it

to do things. So, um yeah, like on the

flight. So, um

uh rather than having to read more about

I don't know if that answer your

question, but um

>> no, I I I think it is like thinking of

things that you do every day. Um and you

just showed us how to make it so easy to

not have to do them anymore. I'm

curious, have you experimented with any

other um agent tasks that you've built

within VZero?

>> Uh the this has been the big one. I did

um what else did I do? I did something

way back when when Vero started. I had

this because we we intended to actually

I was actually I was going to build um a

whole section of our website in Vzero.

We basically have these we have these

see these tools. I don't know if this So

these tools um we have thousands of them

and I wanted to create like a page for

all of them.

>> Oh, cool. And my plan my plan initially

was I was going to send I was going to

get Vizio to make all the pages and then

I was going to host.

>> Oh, super cool. Oh, okay. That's that's

our next live. Yeah, you gota you should

do that.

>> Yes. So, I was going to give it like a

product feed essentially. So, how do I

show this better actually? Um it's a bad

example. Um but basically the um yeah

the

No, this is bad. Um, uh, the we

basically have like a feed that updates

and they constantly update because we're

constantly adding new ones and there's

2,000 integrations. So like I was going

to, um, yeah, the idea was there was

going to be a feed that every day it

would send it to Vzero and it publish

new pages on the fly. For example,

page about like

>> every single uh tool um, every single um

tool that was ever created. I just did

it every day. I have to think about it.

sometimes.

>> That is That is awesome. And I I think

yeah, we're g have some exciting product

updates that I think will make that even

easier for you, Scott. Um

>> that's that is awesome. Um well, cool. I

I know we're we're at the the half hour

of this power hour. Um and I know you've

been on lives all day. Um, so I don't

know if there's anything else that you

want to keep building, but I think that

this was so helpful to see how you can

get started and honestly at least got me

thinking of a lot of things that I could

go build um, right now, not including

that website that it built for me. Um,

and but I'm curious if there's anything

else that you'd, you know, encourage

people who are getting started to build

agents of of where to start or any tips

that you've learned along the way. Yeah,

I think the the biggest thing really I

think try

like I think the biggest so when it

comes to you've got some sort of idea to

do something. I would like often try um

our um uh the uh invent because what it

does it will generate tools and stuff.

Some of the things that I've kind of

skipped through and like it's probably a

little bit unfair but it's hard for me

to avoid it is that um I know these

tools exist. Yeah.

>> And um so um that's that's cool like it

makes it easier for me. But um what

happens with invent is actually also has

that same knowledge as well. So you just

go to type in what you want agent to do.

It will know whether tools exist which

might help that task. So say for example

person and um

and this is often a really good place

for people to start if they're using

relevance or building agents or

whatever. Um, and it will just we've got

this little game as well you can play

while you're weigh in. Um, and um, it

will

>> Yeah, it will help you figure out what

um, like how an agent is built for the

first time. Yeah, that is something that

we talked a lot about uh last week too

of like how much do you scope what you

want the product to look like versus

kind sometimes the beauty of a vibe

coding is getting to in real time your

creativity is expanded and with one

prompt it changes exact it's entirely

how you want it to look but then also

the more you play with it you you can

bring in your favorite tools you know

what you want and you can kind of walk

it there but sometimes it is nice to

just go in with a fresh a fresh mind.

>> Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. I imagine it's

exactly the same with V zero as well.

>> It's exactly the same. Like go something

get leave a bit loose and figure out

what it looks like and you can always

later.

>> Yeah. Awesome.

>> Scott, what uh what is what is your

dream agent to build? That's a question

I I I will leave leave us with.

>> You can take down your screen too if you

don't want to cover that up.

my dream agent to build. Um Oh, mine is

I've got toddlers.

>> Oh, yeah. Talk about practical agents.

>> Yeah. I'm all about like my life is a

nightmare. I wish to just like all the

stuff I used to be able to just do

normally. Um like pay bills and things.

>> Yeah.

>> Um and those would be I just want

someone to like an agent just just

pretend that it was me before I had

toddlers and just do stuff. That would

be a dream. I would love that.

>> I love that you could um you could build

the agent and you could have it like

update v0ero every time that you do it

and maybe maybe it could render like

time time saved or how much time you

like every time it does a task. It's how

much time you used to have before

toddlers and be your beautiful

demonstration of that. That would be

awesome.

>> That would be amazing. That'd be true.

That would be so good.

>> That's really cool. Well, Scott, this

has been this has been awesome and

hopefully it was fun. I on on the scale

of your lives that you've done. Was it

was

>> Oh, this is great. This is so good. This

is so good. I Yeah. Yeah. This is so

good. I was more monitoring the life, so

I was all right. So, I would

um awesome. Well, thank you so much. It

was so fun and um and really helpful. I

I think, you know, it's everything that

we were talking about at the beginning

of everyone wants to be building agents

right now and I think for a lot of

people, they don't know where to start.

And so I think the more things we can do

like this and you know build together

and show though I joked that it's kind

of nice when something goes wrong but

everything kind of went right for you

today was great. Um but it's awesome. So

thank you for for going through the

steps and for showing us how to build

with Vzero and with relevance and um

we'd love to do it again. So when you

build the toddler agent um let me or the

anti- toddler agent we can we can have

you back.

>> Amazing. Thanks so much Carla.

>> Awesome.

>> Thanks Scott. Thanks for everyone for

joining. We're uh we've got a episode

four uh next week and we're gonna bring

back actually it's got it's very

relevant to this conversation. Um we're

gonna work we last week we built an

email inbox uh with Vzero and next week

we're focusing all on adding agent

qualities. So doing

>> Yeah. Yeah. So you can like

>> let's see like so AI can or vo the agent

can come in and see the emails you're

receiving start to draft emails. Um, and

we're going to show how draft and also

sort and lots of other fun stuff and

whatever the community wants us to

build. Um, but really showing the power

of vzero and versell together. Um, so

it'll be super fun. So

>> that'll be very cool. That'd be very

cool. Amazing.

>> Awesome. Okay. Well, thank you so much,

Scott. And thanks everyone. We'll see

you next week.