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This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. #GOTOcon #GOTOunscripted https://gotopia.tech Ajay Chankramath - Founder & CEO at Platformetrics & Co-Author of "Effective Platform Engineering" @achankramath452 Nic Cheneweth - Principal Consultant at Thoughtworks & Co-Author of "Effective Platform Engineering" @NicCheneweth Check out more here: https://gotopia.tech/articles/429 RESOURCES Ajay https://www.linkedin.com/in/chankramath https://github.com/achankra https://x.com/ajchantw https://chankramath.com https://platformetrics.com Nic https://www.linkedin.com/in/niccheneweth https://github.com/ncheneweth https://x.com/NicCheneweth https://ncheneweth.com Links Get 45% discount on Manning products with code: GOTOchankramath https://www.manning.com https://effectiveplatformengineering.com https://epetech.io https://dora.dev https://dora.dev/research/2025/dora-report https://youtu.be/BPCcxYHLzkI https://youtu.be/0vkY2H2QDC8 https://youtu.be/5QWQioN-aXc https://youtu.be/Ff70GH3X5Ww https://youtu.be/cW3yM-K2M08 https://youtu.be/_IKB4h9e4NA https://youtu.be/fROpZ6EYa54 https://youtu.be/jB-OCXeEtrE DESCRIPTION Ajay Chankramath (founder and CEO of Platformetrics) and Nic Cheneweth Cheneweth (Principal Technologist at ThoughtWorks) explore the evolving world of platform engineering. They discuss why a product mindset is critical for internal platforms, how control planes and API-first design create scalable foundations, the real challenges organizations face when implementing Backstage, and where AI and agents are beginning to change the platform landscape. Throughout, both speakers emphasize that cutting corners on architectural foundations ultimately compounds problems at scale. TIMECODES 00:00 Intro 01:13 Why platform engineering needs a product mindset 04:03 Control planes, API-first design & golden paths 11:25 Backstage: Promise vs reality 17:46 Domain design: The foundation that makes platforms scale 22:23 AI & agents in platform engineering: What's actually working 33:29 Outro RECOMMENDED BOOKS Chankramath, Cheneweth, Oliver & Alvarez • Effective Platform Engineering • https://amzn.to/3OnxN8i Gregor Hohpe • Platform Strategy • https://amzn.to/4cxfYdb https://bsky.app/profile/gotocon.com https://twitter.com/GOTOcon https://www.linkedin.com/company/goto- https://www.instagram.com/goto_con https://www.facebook.com/GOTOConferences #PlatformEngineering #PlatformTeam #PlatformAsAService #DevOps #DORAreport #ControlPlanes #APIfirst #Backstage #SpotifyBackstage #SoftwareEngineering #Programming #AjayChankramath #NicCheneweth #GOTO CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket at https://gotopia.tech Sign up for updates and specials at https://gotopia.tech/newsletter SUBSCRIBE TO OUR CHANNEL - new videos posted almost daily. https://www.youtube.com/user/GotoConferences/?sub_confirmation=1